"Four Different Types of Reconciliation"
The following is a transcription of our podcast by the same name.
"2 Timothy chapter 2 verse 15, Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
WTTR: the word of reconciliation and songs of grace. We're back today to address another forgiven at the cross objection.
So, if you have your Bible, get with me, Romans chapter 11, Romans chapter 11 verse 15.
Limited forgivers are in all belief systems. They come from all walks and flavors, Methodist, Church of God, Church of Christ, all the Baptist flavors, Mennonites, Catholics, Lutherans, Pentecostals, Mormons, Church of God in Christ, Jehovah's Witnesses, Apostolics, Seventh-dayers, Calvinists, and there are even some in the Mid-Acts Grace Circles.
Those who refuse to believe the words in their King James Bible and insist on elevating men's books, their articles, their sermons, all of those in the name of unity, and in doing so, they're putting man's opinion above God's word.
Today I'm going to show you how they mess this up here in Romans chapter 11. The twisted text we will deal with today is verse number 15. We start here at 13.
Paul says, For I speak to you Gentiles, and as much as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office.
Verse 14, If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are in my flesh, and might save some of them.
Verse 15, Now, here's the twisted scripture. Watch.
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be? But life from the dead?
So let me explain what they do here:
They use verse 15 to attempt to prove that God didn't actually stop imputing sins at the cross because the 2 Corinthians world couldn't have been reconciled until the Romans 11:15 casting away of Israel had happened.
And that'll only fly with those who aren't paying attention. -Those willing to allow someone to isolate a verse to make a point.
But a Bible student will look at the entire context.
What happens is because Romans 11:15 says, The reconciling of the world, and 2 Corinthians 5:19 also says, Reconciling the world, they grab that and run with it, caring very little about context.
But when context is respected and examined, this teaching comes unglued. It unravels, as we will demonstrate.
The 2 Corinthians 5:19 world has no connection whatsoever to the casting away of Israel in Romans 11.
When Paul said, For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, he's speaking about the casting away of them.
I mean, it's right here in the text.
The them is Israel.
Their casting away that had to happen before the Ephesians 2, one new man, could be possible.
See that?
It's about salvation, not when God stopped imputing sins to the world.
You see, Israel had to diminish and be cast away before the mystery, one new man, could be formed.
The reconciling in 2 Corinthians 5:19 is God reconciling the world unto himself.
But the reconciling in Romans 11:15 is God reconciling Israel with the rest of the nations.
See it? Look closely. Don't miss it.
It isn't about God reconciling anything or anyone to himself. No.
So, Romans 11:15 does not correlate with 2 Corinthians 5:19. The timeline just doesn't work.
The picture becomes clear when context is considered.
The denominations get this wrong, and it's even being mistaught by some in grace.
From the information we have gathered, it appears to have come from a man out of Chicago. Then along came a couple of men who didn't test what they were taught against scripture, didn't do their homework very well, came along, parroted what he said, and went off and wrote an article called "Four Different Types of Reconciliation."
Romans 11:15 speaks of when God concluded all in unbelief, not when he was in Christ on the cross. And to make it say that, you have to make it say that. Because it doesn't say it by itself. You have to rip it from its contextual parameter to get that.
And some men are willing to go there.
To follow that narrative, you either have to say that Israel was cast away at the cross, or, that 2 Corinthians 5:19 had nothing to do with the cross.
This sort of inconsistency will have you backed into a corner. You got to be careful when proof texting.
Don't go out and word search and grab the word reconciliation and the word world in Romans 11, and pretend that it has bearing on 2 Corinthians 5:19.
You can't do that if the context doesn't support you. That's not how this works.
Your word search won't tell you that God's not reconciling the world unto himself in Romans 11. No. Context will tell you that.
Back up a few verses to verse 11. Watch.
I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid. But rather through their fall, salvation... What, Paul? Salvation is come unto the Gentiles.
Be sure and note that.
Hey, the outstanding thing about truth is, once you see it, you can't unsee it.
Romans 11:15 is not about the imputation of sins. It's about salvation. We just read it.
-Which diametrically opposes 2 Corinthians 5:19, because it is about the imputation of sins. It's about what God did to make Gentile salvation available without having to go through the nation Israel.
Israel's fall wasn't what was needed before forgiveness could come to us. That's an incorrect teaching. Our forgiveness was dependent upon the atoning blood of Christ. Israel had to fall in order for the one new man to form.
2 Corinthians 5:19 is about God reconciling the world into himself.
Romans 11:15 is about the reconciling of all nations to one another.
Big difference.
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What this is, this is about making them equal in status, which gave every nation access to God. This was God's way of concluding all in unbelief so that he might have mercy upon all. What a beautiful message.
So, let's get this right: Now, when you reconcile your checkbook, you do what?
You balance it.
So, because of Jesus, there's a balance among the nations.
It's not all are saved. The Universalist gets it wrong.
It's all are forgiven. You and I, we got this right.
No limited forgiver can stand up against you in this argument, if you stay in context. Just remember that.
The reconciliation in Romans 11 is about God removing the enmity that stood between Jew and Gentile.
The reconciliation in 2 Corinthians 5, no. -It's about God removing the enmity that stood between him and humanity.
This is what limited forgivers miss.
I love what one of our listeners, Mr. Mercer, recently said.
"Imagine someone saying to you, hey, I forgive you for that terrible thing you did to me years ago. And your reply is, 'Well, that's impossible because I didn't believe it.'
That's a good one, Randy.
Listen, reconciliation is not a difficult concept. Let's say you sin against your spouse, which causes enmity between you two. So you separate.
Now, what happens first, before the two of you can get back together and reconcile the relationship?
Your spouse forgives you. That comes first. Then you can reconcile.
You don't have to reconcile, but you can.
See, forgiveness alone doesn't reconcile. Some people have got this all messed up, all twisted.
Forgiveness alone doesn't reconcile. It just makes it possible.
Some confuse forgiveness with relationship. They're not the same. You can forgive someone and never ever have a relationship with them.
Now stay with me, okay?
Is it possible for the offended party, the one you've sinned against, to forgive you, yet you not believe it?
Is that possible? Of course.
Next question: If you don't believe they forgave you, does that change the fact that they did?
Hopefully you're seeing the picture here.
The offended party can make the decision to forgive you whether you believe it or not. Regardless of what the limited forgivers would have us to believe, forgiveness does not, does not require anyone's belief.
This is common sense.
Forgiveness doesn't require a response. Relationship does.
Forgiveness only requires one party.
A reconciled relationship requires two.
This is why 2 Corinthians 5:19 said God reconciled the world into himself, but in the very next verse,
Paul wrote, Be ye reconciled to God.
Those are not the same.
Clearly, Paul's talking about two or more there. It's not just about one.
But this clear, simple to understand reconciliation message, hey, it gets confused when man followers (instead of putting in the work) choose to repeat what a preacher says. -Repeat what an article they found says without properly investigating it.
Paul said all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable.
He also told the church at Rome that Whatever things were written aforetime is for your learning.
Well, here's some aforetime information for you:
In time past, the priest, they made sacrifices for Israel as a nation, my friend. And they did that on behalf of everyone in the nation.
And I can tell you what the priest did not do. He did not (as some limited forgivers would have you believe) go to each individual throughout the nation, one by one, and tell them they needed to profess their belief in the blood of the sacrifice he was going to make before God could forgive them. -Didn't happen.
That blood sacrifice the priest made atoned for believers and unbelievers.
And this teaching about there being different types of reconciliation is false.
There are not different types of reconciliation. There are different examples.
Reconciliation happens the same way no matter what we're talking about.
Between husband and wife, God and the world, Israel and the Gentile nations. -Matters not.
Matters not which scenario you want to choose.
Reconciliation is reconciliation.
Now, you can go around making things up if you want to, but if you follow scripture alone, you'll never escape this truth.
What happened at the cross is what allowed God to stop imputing the sins of everyone in this dispensation. It happened at the cross, but it was kept secret until the Lord revealed it to our apostle, the Apostle Paul.
But we've got some, they learn a few things. They get some head knowledge, sound a little smarter than the average Baptist, and off they go. -Puffed up thinking they're a teacher all of a sudden, but if you don't have the cross work right, who cares what you do have right?
And now, the result is, we have a lot of false converts making more false converts because they don't know what happened at the cross. They're mixing that up with a one new man clear over in Ephesians.
No. You've got some studying to do. You've got some rightly dividing to do.
The religious mindset, hey, it has a powerful hold on some, even some that are now calling themselves grace teachers. Some left religion 10, 15, 20 years, 30 years ago, and have still never been able to shake it. -Drug some of that religion over with them and they've never abandoned it. -Left behind a few things, maybe even most things, but still clinging to a piece of that old time religion by front-loading a, "do," and believing is doing, it's not a work, but it's a, "do."
Believing is doing and they've drug along and front-loaded a, "do," ahead of their forgiveness.
-And they're in need of our prayers.
When it comes to forgiveness, they're acting as if they're the little flock, who gets their sins blotted out at a future date.
Yes, they do. They think it's at the time of their own personal belief. They've just got to be involved somehow here.
They think it's at the time of their own personal belief instead of at the cross where it happened.
No, it wasn't announced there. We understand the mystery.
But it still happened there, and you'll never change that, I don't care who you are.
It didn't happen at the time you believed.
It happened when Christ shed his blood on the cross.
Religion can warp the mind to where, for some, it's a never-ending struggle of getting self out of the way.
Christ took the world's sins to the tomb, left them there. When did that happen?
-When you walked the aisle at 12 years old?
-When you shook the preacher's hand and joined the church?
-When you confessed your sins?
-When you recited the sinner's prayer in your head?
-When you heard the preacher say some words and you believed him?
Or was it at the cross?
-That's the simple and correct answer.
Christ and your sins went in the tomb, but only one came out, which made it impossible for God to charge anyone with their sins.
Folks, it's really just that simple. Men make charts about it, so you'd think they knew that sins were forgiven during time past.
Yet, to hear some tell it, they want you to get out the shovel, head on over to time past, dig up the world's sins, load them up, and bring them over here into the but now.
And then they threaten you with, If you don't come to God by believing these words coming out of my mouth, you can't get your sins forgiven. Because it don't happen until you do.
-That's another gospel.
God stopped imputing our sins in time past, and our but now belief can't make that so any more than our but now unbelief can make it not so.
Our but now belief can't forgive us, but it can save us.
Limited forgiveness belongs in the denominations, not in grace. That's a perverted view of the cross. Let it go. Anything you can learn, you can unlearn.
It's not: he forgives and forgets.
It's: he forgave and forgot.
The blood was shed and sins were forgiven before you were born. -Something that was hidden from Satan, but later revealed to Paul.
Getting eternal life requires our faith. Forgiveness of sins does not.
Even before the cross, in Luke chapter 23, God the Son said to God the Father, Forgive them, for they know not what they do.
Think about that.
Jesus said, Forgive them, for they know not what they do.
But the limited forgiver says, Oh no.
They have to know what they do, and they have to believe before they get forgiven.
They have to know what they do, and then come to God by faith to get their sins forgiven.
That's an old time religious message that does not belong. It belongs in the denominations, but it does not belong in the grace message.
For some, the term grace believer is just a title, and mid-acts is just another religion.
That's why they have a problem with you and I. We dropped religion like a handful of hot coal. Just like Paul did.
He's our pattern, and he said, Yea, doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ.
Now that's Paul. -That's what Paul thought of his time-past religion.
He didn't trade one for the other. No, he left religion altogether. It was dung to him, so he flushed it down the drain.
Some are here today, and you're like my wife and I, you left your Baptist church, your Catholic church, Pentecostalism, and like Paul, you discovered the truth and decided to forsake all that nonsense and leave it in your past.
Leave it where it belongs. And you're not interested in being sucked back in to another groupthink vacuum.
In Philippians 3 verse 5, Paul, he tells us real clear what he thought about groupthink.
He said of the stock of Israel.
He said of the tribe of Benjamin.
And a Hebrew of the Hebrews.
As touching the law, a Pharisee.
There, he's identifying himself in time-past when he placed great value in being identified with groups.
Count them all as dung, just like he did. No more herds.
If you find yourself in a herd, hey, don't be surprised when you step in a big pile of dung. The bigger the herd, the more piles.
God wants independent thinkers who put Scripture above group. Scripture above your online Bible school. No more compromising truth for numbers sake.
Some are thrown off because the world's forgiveness wasn't revealed at the cross. But just because it wasn't revealed there, doesn't mean it didn't happen there.
Paul made that point in 1 Corinthians 2:7 when he said, We speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory, which none of the princes of this world knew.
Now watch.
For had they known, okay, he's getting ready to tell you, that if they had known what happened at the cross, this was at the cross, read, for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
Folks, it was at the cross. Simple.
And if the why of the cross was made known, the princes of the world would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
If the true and full purpose of the cross would have been revealed and testified before its due time, we would have remained without hope in the world.
The reason it happened was hid, but the place that it happened was not.
It happened at the cross.
Thank you for joining us today. We've addressed and exposed this for what it is.
Romans 11:15 is just another failed objection to forgiveness at the cross. These tactics are nothing new.
Some will do anything to try and draw attention from how Jesus alone, all by himself, satisfied God concerning humanity's sin problem.
And those who have yet to totally break away from the religious mindset, they come up with all sorts of objections to Christ alone, having done all the doing all by himself at the cross.
But as you're seeing (and we're not done yet) but as you're seeing, none of their objections do anything to change the fact that God was in Christ on the cross, and it was there, hallelujah, that he stopped charging our sins to us.
His death, his bloodshed, it satisfied God.
It was done.
It was finished there.
He was buried, but rose again to give eternal life to any forgiven person who will believe on him.
Grace and peace."
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